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Post by turboron on Dec 12, 2020 17:51:40 GMT -5
wannabebuilderuk, your "Oil Pump Ford FWD Courier Escort Fiesta KA Orion XR2 1.0 1.1 1.3 1.6 OHV engine" shows promise as a low cost solution for DIYers. It apparently is a Ultra UOP115 pump as shown or eBay although I could not find a manufacturer of that name. It is really available in the UK. Shipping cost to the USA is reasonable.
Can you provide more details on your design and the pump. My questions are as follows.
1. Is the gear easily removable? 2. What size and type of coupling did you use? 3. What size, voltage and rpm motor did you use? 4. What did you use for an oil pickup and screen? 5. The adapter plate seems to be simple to make. Was it? 6. What is the GPM of the pump at versus pressures? 7. How did you mount the pump? 8. Is the bypass spring adjustable or replaceable? 9. What size and type of fittings did you use?
Thanks, Ron
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Post by racket on Dec 12, 2020 18:58:13 GMT -5
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Post by turboron on Dec 12, 2020 21:09:23 GMT -5
John, thanks. Nice looking pump. It appears to be very similar to the Escort pump. I wonder why it is twice the price? Higher flow? I will dig into it tomorrow.
Thanks again, Ron
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Post by wannabebuilderuk on Dec 13, 2020 8:16:14 GMT -5
wannabebuilderuk, your "Oil Pump Ford FWD Courier Escort Fiesta KA Orion XR2 1.0 1.1 1.3 1.6 OHV engine" shows promise as a low cost solution for DIYers. It apparently is a Ultra UOP115 pump as shown or eBay although I could not find a manufacturer of that name. It is really available in the UK. Shipping cost to the USA is reasonable. Can you provide more details on your design and the pump. My questions are as follows. 1. Is the gear easily removable? 2. What size and type of coupling did you use? 3. What size, voltage and rpm motor did you use? 4. What did you use for an oil pickup and screen? 5. The adapter plate seems to be simple to make. Was it? 6. What is the GPM of the pump at versus pressures? 7. How did you mount the pump? 8. Is the bypass spring adjustable or replaceable? 9. What size and type of fittings did you use? Thanks, Ron 1. You just unbolt the cast iron plate on the bottom to access it, it looks like this www.howacarworks.com/illustration/836/checking-the-oil-pump.png2. I punched the pin out of the helical gear and pulled it off which left me with a 0.5" shaft (plenty of cheap couplings available that size, had to get a 12mm to 0.5" for my use though) 3. Got a 12v 3000rpm (no load so approx 2800 with load I guess) motor from a 100% duty cycle air compressor I removed from a scrap bus imgbb.com/Jq2bsJd (new they're £250 lol) 4. I'll decide when I get to it, probably will mount inside the oil tank over the outlet pipe. 5. Plate is just a bit of aluminium that I just drilled based off the gasket (pretty much exactly the same as the pump face) and wasn't hard. Using 15mm copper pipe for my oil lines so got 3/8bsp to 15mm compression fittings and tapped the ports to suit the fittings. 6. I'll let you know when I test it but should be pretty good. 7. Left plenty on the aluminium faceplate to bolt it to something, going to weld a piece of angle iron to the plate the pump will sit on and bolt the aluminium to it so the pump shaft is parallel with the plate and motor shaft is the same - just have to get the height right. 8. Yup, you can shim it or get an uprated one e.g. www.burtonpower.com/oil-pump-uprating-kit-65lbs-ford-x-flow-lotus-tc-bda-fp202.html9. As stated 15mm compression to 3/8 bsp to maximise flow.
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Post by turboron on Dec 13, 2020 8:37:38 GMT -5
wannabe, thanks. Please update as you get more information.
Ron
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Post by turboron on Dec 13, 2020 8:42:41 GMT -5
John, the 1200 pump appears to be high in price due too a lack of availability. However, I found the following on Amazon for $32.50 with free shipping.
"ITM Engine Components 057-140 Engine Oil Pump for Nissan/Datsun 1.2L/1.3L/1.4L/1.5L L4 210, 310, B210"
This pump appears to be an option to the Escort pump.
Thanks, Ron
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Post by wannabebuilderuk on Dec 13, 2020 10:24:09 GMT -5
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Post by racket on Dec 13, 2020 15:40:32 GMT -5
Hi Ron
The Amazon pump looks a good price
Cheers John
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Post by turboron on Dec 13, 2020 16:22:19 GMT -5
John, yes it is a good price and free shipping so I order it just now. I did not really need another project but what the hell you only live once.
Thanks, Ron
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Post by racket on Dec 13, 2020 18:32:44 GMT -5
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Post by wannabebuilderuk on Dec 14, 2020 3:33:32 GMT -5
From a quick search the pump runs off the camshaft which is half the crankshaft rpm and these engines are usually rev limited 5700-7000rpm. In which case this motor would probably put out 2800/2900rpm under load so might be fine. Will see ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by racket on Dec 14, 2020 5:13:04 GMT -5
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Post by wannabebuilderuk on Dec 14, 2020 6:14:15 GMT -5
Hi John,
Guess we'll see lol. It's 12v 23a rated at 100% duty cycle in its original 150psi air compressor setup so I'm pretty hopeful it'll be all okay.
Ben
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Post by turboron on Jan 12, 2021 15:50:44 GMT -5
All, I received the ITM Engine Components 057-140 Engine Oil Pump (for Nissan/Datsun 1.2L/1.3L/1.4L/1.5L L4 210, 310, B210). It appears to be well made.
Since receiving the pump I have purchased an Datsun oil filter and some BSP plugs to plug the oil pressure sensor threaded hole.
The gear is a tight press on the shaft. I cut it to the shaft with my Dremel after failed attempts using the propane torch, punch and hammer method. I still needed the hammer and punch.
Next step is to design a mounting plate.
Thanks, Ron
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Post by racket on Jan 12, 2021 16:50:53 GMT -5
Hi Ron Will be interested to see how the pump works out . I've started on making another pump using the Subaru oilpump and hopefully mounted up on this motor www.motiondynamics.com.au/xyd-6d-450w-24v-2600-rpm-with-chain-sprocket-en.html 24V 28A ( 672W ??) rated at 450W and 2600 rpm , it'll be run on 12V to keep the rpm down , the drive side of the motor has a nice flat plate that is fairly substantial as it looks like it was the mounting plate , it should be strong enough to mount the pump to . The motor arrived this morning and looks reasonably well made , so I'll be looking forward to machining something up :-) Cheers John
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